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The Obama Plan
Last Post 05 Oct 2011 10:37 AM by weasel. 81 Replies.
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dd2010
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| 04 Jun 2009 12:10 PM |
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ITS BACK ! vft , you came back in search of a new location for w.o. bashing WELCOME BACK ! im wired for it , obviously your still sore , because someone else doesnt have an INFLATABLE like some here !!!! . how was it in lala land !!!! |
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ttfnbandit
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| 04 Jun 2009 12:21 PM |
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what yall didnt miss me im so crushed lol. the socialist agenda seems to be running smoothly. did yall hear who obama has revamping gm. a 31 yr old almost yale law grad that probably has never even owned a car much less have any working experience. as ive said before the car salesman is hard at work slinging his bull and the majority of the public and the media keep applauding him. these are dark times..... folks better wake up in 2010 or by 2012 we will have no liberties left to speak of. then again thats a good thing if you expect govmt to solve all of your problems. ttfn |
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weasel
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| 10 Jun 2009 05:17 AM |
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During one of Chavez's customary lectures on the "curse" of capitalism and the bonanzas of socialism, the Venezuelan leader made reference to GM's bankruptcy filing, which is expected to give the U.S. government a 60 percent stake in the 100-year-old former symbol of American might. "Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors. Comrade Obama! Fidel, careful or we are going to end up to his right," Chavez joked on a live television broadcast. The United States of America is fast becoming the USS of A. We now have politicians deciding which GM dealerships will remain open. Fiat has been allowed to take over Chrysler with the promise of making smaller, more fuel efficient cars. Anyone ever driven a Fiat? If so, would you be proud to spend you hard earned wages on one? Oh..., well what if one were just issued to you to drive to your designated workstation? We know what Volkswagon translates to: "the peoples car". I have never seen a Volkswagon or a Fiat pulling someone's boat with the family going to the lake for the weekend. How could I be so insensitive?!? The lake and the beach is no place for a boat with people in it, these places must be preserved for the gulls, gators, and little critters. |
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Weasel
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| 19 Jun 2009 03:28 AM |
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"OBAMACARE" President Obama said, "If we do not fix our health care system, America may go the way of GM: paying more, getting less, and going broke." So, we need to spend more to save more?!? Even if you have so many Obama stickers on your car that you have to increase the air pressure in your tires, surely, you must be questioning things now. ABC News is lending itself to the Obama administration for the night of Wednesday, June 24, for a live broadcast of ABC World News Tonight from the Blue Room of the White House. This will be followed by an hour-long primetime special entitled "Prescription for America," which will advocate the Obama health care plan. The Republican National Committee noted that with the absence of opposing views, the programming amounts to little more than a campaign commercial -- one that should rightly be paid for by the Democratic National Committee. ABC predictably took offense and claimed that it will have complete editorial control over the content of the program. Or at least as much control as the White House wants them to have. As columnist Cal Thomas observes, "By the way, guess who's the new director of communications for the White House Office of Health Reform. It's former ABC News correspondent Linda Douglass, who left journalism last year to join the Obama campaign." How convenient. The network claims it will have "thoughtful" and "diverse" perspectives on the plan, but one noteworthy absence is "20/20" anchor John Stossel, who will not be participating. A pity, too, for if anyone at ABC has the requisite "thoughtful" and "diverse" perspective, it's Stossel. Remember when Tim Russert would actually ask intellegent tough questions? Ever since his passing, there has been a scarcity in anything resembling journalism. The apethetic are easily duped by propoganda, and our main stream media is pouring on us. Is anyone smelling socialism yet?!? "If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy." --Thomas Jefferson
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weasel
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| 17 Jul 2009 04:30 AM |
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Team ObamaCare: Sanger, Ginsburg and Holdren
"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government." --Thomas Jefferson
Now that Barack Hussein Obama has undermined free enterprise by nationalizing major financial and manufacturing sectors of our economy, he has set his sights on the health care sector, which comprises almost 18 percent of the U.S. economy.
This shouldn't surprise us. After all, he did promise a "fundamental transformation of the United States of America," and his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, did cite the current economic crisis as the means for doing so. "Rule 1: Never allow a crisis to go to waste," Emanuel said. "They are opportunities to do big things."
Of course, there is NO constitutional authority or precedent for this massive government intrusion into the private sector. But then, when do Leftists look to any authority higher than themselves?
Considering the prospect of Socialists in charge of dispensing health care from cradle to grave, I was reminded, by none other than Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, that when one is in need of health care, one should not depend on folks who advocate a "culture of death."
In an interview last week, Ginsburg said that she thought "at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of."
This comment was not some senile blunder from an aging jurist noted for nodding off during High Court deliberations.
In fact, Ginsburg's candid assessment of the Left's advocacy for abortion as a means for controlling propagation of undesirable ethnic groups is based upon the writings of atheist social activist and leftist icon Margaret Sanger.
Some 50 years before Roe v. Wade, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which later became Planned Parenthood, now the largest perpetrator of abortions in the U.S.
Sanger asserted that ministry to the poor, a fundamental tenet of Christianity, is responsible for excessive numbers of "unwanted" ethnic breeds. "Those vast, complex, interrelated organizations aiming to control and to diminish the spread of misery and destitution and all the menacing evils that spring out of this sinisterly fertile soil, are the surest sign that our civilization has bred, is breeding, and is perpetuating constantly increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents, and dependents. My criticism, therefore, is not directed at the failure of philanthropy, but rather at its success. These dangers are inherent in the very idea of humanitarianism and altruism, dangers which have today produced their full harvest of human waste."
Ah, yes, "human waste."
Sanger characterized the poor as "human weeds, reckless breeders, spawning ... human beings who never should have been born."
In "Woman and the New Race," Sanger insisted that women create an enormous "debt to society [by] creating slums, filling asylums with the insane, and institutions with other defectives. ... Poverty and the large family generally go hand in hand. ... The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Of blacks, Sanger wrote, "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
She advocated policies that ensured "more children from the fit, less from the unfit" in order to "to create a race of thoroughbreds." (Remember this quote the next time a liberal tells you that Fascists and Socialists have nothing in common.)
Sanger was certainly the 20th century's most noted American proponent of racist eugenics. However when we remind our liberal friends of the origins of Planned Parenthood, they sputter on about Sanger's support for eugenics being an anomaly of another time and context.
But Sanger's advocacy for the extermination of the "unwanted" is the basis of today's culture of death. Indeed, one of the adherents of eugenics now directs BHO's White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and is the co-chair of Obama's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology.
John Holdren may not be openly advocating racial selection, but he clearly advocates mass sterilization and abortion in order to control human impact on the environment. This is nothing but a contemporary interpretation of Sanger's eliminating "human weeds" and "reckless breeders."
Holdren's modern day eugenics program is outlined in a book he co-authored, "Ecoscience," in which he calls for "a comprehensive Planetary Regime [in order to] control the development, administration, conservation and distribution of all natural resources."
One solution, writes Holdren, is "adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods" which would help weed out those "who contribute to social deterioration."
As for the constitutional authority, Holdren writes, "Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society."
"If some individuals contribute to general social deterioration by overproducing children," insists Holdren, "if the need is compelling, they can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility -- just as they can be required to exercise responsibility in their resource-consumption patterns -- providing they are not denied equal protection."
I suppose Holdren is Obama's "Czar of Compelling Needs."
As for global solutions, Holdren writes, "The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries' shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits. If this could be accomplished, security might be provided by an armed international organization, a global analogue of a police force. Many people have recognized this as a goal, but the way to reach it remains obscure in a world where factionalism seems, if anything, to be increasing. The first step necessarily involves partial surrender of sovereignty to an international organization."
Holdren is of course careful about how his "Planetary Regime" might enforce these limits, but given the common bonds of Fascists and Socialists, a contemporary global solution with much more efficient ecological results than dismembering children in the womb would be to release a biological agent targeting mass populations in developing regions of Asia and Africa -- something like strains of Swine or Bird Influenza. After all, AlGorites consider climate change to be a crisis of global proportions, and such a crisis requires innovative solutions.
Holdren concludes, "This may be the last opportunity to choose our own and our descendants' destiny. Failing to choose or making the wrong choices may lead to catastrophe. But it must never be forgotten that the right choices could lead to a much better world."
In 1931, futurist H.G. Wells wrote of Sanger's proposed regime, "The movement she started will grow to be, a hundred years from now, the most influential of all time. When the history of our civilization is written, it will be a biological history, and Margaret Sanger will be its heroine."
Apparently, Obama's director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy is prepared to do his part to sustain Sanger's legacy.
Given Holdren's musings about population control, should these folks be in charge of determining who receives what medical care?
Circling back to that same interview with Justice Ginsburg last week, here is how she defended a woman's right to end the life of her unborn child: "The basic thing is that the government has no business making that choice for a woman."
But in regard to ObamaCare, I doubt that Ginsburg would apply a similar standard: "The basic thing is that the government has no business making that choice."
The Hippocratic Oath, until recently the de facto position of medicine, established the fundamental principle that a physician should "First, do no harm." Perhaps BO himself should take that oath -- not that he has shown any penchant for honoring the one he took for his current job.
Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!
Mark Alexander
Publisher, PatriotPost.US
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cmom
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| 21 Jul 2009 04:20 AM |
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Interesting reading weasel..you know weasel,Obama is a true socialist,he is.He wants to rid us of capitalism...Obama wants the Govt to run everything,own everything.If the people of this country sit back and do nothing and let their reps vote for all this,we are in bad trouble.Watch Fox News,Glenn Beck,Hannity..they arent afraid to say whats happening.The govt has no bussiness making choices on anything we do.Thanks again weasel for the artical,very interesting.. |
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cmom
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| 21 Jul 2009 04:31 AM |
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What system are we?
July 21, 2009 - 14:17 ET

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GLENN: The question in USA Today, is child obesity child abuse. Courts increasingly wrestle with questions of parental fitness. Well, of course they are going to wrestle with if we could just have something, you know, like some sort of rights of the child. Oh, my goodness, we have one of those. That's fantastic. We can get that from the United Nations. They have been pressuring us to sign that for a while. And then we'll know that parents only have certain rights with their children and the courts will have to wrestle with those questions of parental fitness.
So the question today I have for you is what system are we? Are we capitalist anymore? Are we a socialist? Are we a communist? Are's an oligarchy? I'm going to tell you what I think we are in a few minutes.
Let's recap again. First definite nation is capitalism.
PAT: An economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production.
GLENN: Don't think we're that anymore.
PAT: Doesn't sound like. It.
GLENN: Socialist?
PAT: A social is government is any of the various theories or systems of social organization which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
GLENN: Okay, I think we're closer to that one than we are capitalism but that's not right, either.
PAT: And the reason that's not communism yet, it's between capitalism and communism is because the collective ownership of the economy under a dictatorship has not yet been achieved. So communism then is the theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common. Actual ownership being a
GLENN: Hold on just a second. I just want to point this out. Listen to this carefully. The idea that property is held in common. Joe, do you have that stat on how much the exact stat Fannie and Freddie own of our mortgages?
JOE: Percentage says it's 57%. But as far as homes, I'm still looking that up.
GLENN: So 50% of all mortgages?
PAT: 57.
GLENN: 57% of all mortgages currently being held by Fannie and Freddie. Now, I just, I want to alert you on something. The TARP program guaranteed to be $700 million I'm sorry, $700 billion. Guaranteed to be $700 billion. We found out yesterday from the inspector general of the TARP program that what we have actually guaranteed is $24 trillion. No, that hasn't gone out of the $700 billion. That's what we gave out. But we've promised $24 trillion. If somebody goes, you know, down with their mortgages, if somebody goes down with their bank buildings, if somebody goes down with their commercial real estate, whatever, that's okay. We'll cover it. "But these things aren't going to happen." Well, how much more does the state own if they bail out $24 trillion worth of loans? And we think that it's just going into Fannie and Freddie. Well, that's no big deal. That is going to the federal government. You start defaulting on these things by the way, commercial real estate, much bigger than the real estate bubble that we just went through. And the second phase of the home bubble, the home real estate bubble is coming, and that one is bigger than the first one as well.
So how much will they end up if they own 57% now, how much will they own two years from now? Okay, so that's the first part of communism. You have to own the property. You have to own collectively everything.
PAT: And then the actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
GLENN: Okay. We've already got that with GM and CitiBank and everything else.
PAT: An oligarchy is a form of government in which all power is vested in a few people or in a dominant class or clique, government by the few.
GLENN: Hold on just a second. Let's do this again. An oligarchy like what they have in Russia is what?
PAT: A form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique, government by the few.
GLENN: Dominant class or clique, I'm trying to think. I mean, I know that businesses are being huge business, they are too big to fail. You know, let's get those guys, let's bail those guys out. They have got to be bailed out right away. That's crazy. And they are the ones that are wait a minute. Hang on just a second. I'm thinking a dominant class or clique, you've got the uber rich. You've got the extreme left. You have these giant corporations that are involved.
PAT: Can you think of one in particular?
GLENN: GE, I can think of that. I can think of the labor unions, those guys.
PAT: Yeah. Any banks in particular that spring to mind?
GLENN: CitiBank, Bank of America, you know, Goldman Sachs.
PAT: Goldman Sachs.
GLENN: Goldman Sachs.
PAT: Yeah.
GLENN: Goldman Sachs, wow, that's almost an oligarchy there, huh? Isn't that weird. I'm sure we're not an oligarchy. I'm sure we're not even close to that.
PAT: No.
GLENN: Okay, the next one, the last one is fascism. Listen to this one.
PAT: A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
GLENN: Let's go back and take this one apart. I personally think we are on the road. We're not any of these right now, including capitalism. We're not any of these because we are going through a metamorphosis. We are a caterpillar in a cocoon right now. When the cocoon comes off, what are we going to be? I believe we are headed towards one of the last two: Oligarchy or fascism. Listen to you have the oligarchy. That is basically a system where, look, it's Russia. Russia's got, you know, popular elections, they do it. But everybody knows Putin runs the show. And he's living by the Russian constitution. What? He's the prime minister now. What? He had term limits. What? He's not running things. Yes, he is. You know it and I know it. And who's really running the country? Putin is the strong man making sure that business runs right. And if you are not doing the things that he wants, you are dead. More journalists die in Russia than any other country. It is a dangerous place because it is run by the uber powerful and the uber rich. Don't even think about trying to break that system up. No matter where you are, they will kill you. That's what's happening in Russia. Is that where we're headed? When the cocoon breaks? Are we an oligarchy? Or are we a fascistic state. Listen carefully.
PAT: Government system led by a dictator having complete power.
GLENN: Stop. This is where everyone says a dictator with complete power, you are ridiculous. You are right. Theory, just think transformation process. What are we headed towards? We have a guy who now is trying to move the inspectors general into the executive branch so the executive branch will have control of all the inspectors general. Then he's got a system of czars that answer to no one. They don't answer to congress. You have framework being put into these bills that are going to make congress impotent, not to mention what's coming with the census. You've got ACORN coming out and doing the census. That's going to shift boundaries. That's going to shift capital. That's going to shift power. All right. So you've got a very strong dictator. We don't have a dictator yet.
PAT: No.
GLENN: I hope he never turns into one. But gee, the framework is sure being built for that. Hope he never turns into it. All right, next part of it.
PAT: Forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism.
GLENN: Forcibly, that's not happening forcibly well, I will tell you that if you don't
PAT: Makings of it.
GLENN: Yeah, if you don't think that Bank of America has been told to shut their mouth, if you don't think CitiBank has been told to shut their mouth. We know for a fact Browner has told the car companies shut your mouth; don't you even say a word; I don't even want this in writing. But nobody's even investigating it. Wildly against the law. Okay? So you have the beginnings of it. But you are not there yet.
PAT: All the talk of the Fairness Doctrine, those kinds of things.
GLENN: Exactly right. If you think my voice or Rush's voice or Sean's voice are going to be here in five years, boy, I hope you're right. I hope you're right.
PAT: Regimenting all industry, commerce, et cetera and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism.
GLENN: Regimenting all commerce. What is the commerce clause? Why have we been ranting about overturn the commerce clause? Because they regiment all commerce. They are already doing these things. Is there any more to it?
PAT: Emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. If there's not racism now
GLENN: If there's not racism, I don't know what there is. It is this is a whole system built on the race card. Back in a second.
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weasel
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| 30 Jul 2009 04:36 AM |
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Glen Beck is one of the few that are speaking about truth and common sense with respect to what is really going on. Beck uses some wit and humor to make his points, but at the same time, some of the ways he explains things are sheer genius. Ever since I first saw Colonel Oliver North testify in front of Congress and answer questions posed to him by Al Gore, I have admired him. Colonel North understands as well as anyone, the importance of the war against radical islam. He also has a clear understanding of the motives of our current cast of politicians. I thank a veteran at every opportunity! Sacrifice in Afghanistan By Oliver North Friday, 24 July 2009 GEORGETOWN, S.C. -- He was standing at the counter when I entered the store. As he paid the clerk, he turned, and I noticed, in this order, his beard, his T-shirt, which had "Marines" emblazoned on the front, and his cane. His prosthetic foot still was masked by the counter when I said, "Semper fi, leatherneck." He smiled and replied: "Semper fi to you, too, Colonel. You were embedded with my unit in Afghanistan last year." We spoke for a few minutes. He had been wounded by the favorite weapon of radical Islamic terror, an IED. He's minus some of his body, a little less mobile, preparing to re-enter civilian life and permanently proud of having served his country. As he moved to leave, he said: "We did our part. Sure hope the crowd in Washington doesn't screw it up." His concern is particularly relevant at a time when the American welfare state is the only growth industry in our country. At its core is socialized health care. The Obama administration and Democrats in Congress are pushing legislation to make health insurance mandatory for every American and to allow government to dictate what services will be provided to us. It is an expansive, expensive proposal, requiring the most productive among us to carry the cost of medical care for all others. That's relevant to the young wounded Marine because the O-Team's compassion czars first suggested that some of the cost of health care for illegal immigrants and "disadvantaged" citizens be borne by America's combat-wounded service members. The administration's bean counters and medical magistrates discerned that charging veterans' private insurance companies for treatment of service-connected injuries, wounds or sickness could save $540 million. The O-Team's message to our military: If you gun-toting, knife-wielding, overage adolescents and right-wing extremists want to go off and play soldier, don't expect us to pick up the tab if you get hurt. After veterans organizations and pro-military citizens groups conducted a shock-and-awe campaign in the blogosphere, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced that the O-Team had "made the decision that the combat-wounded veterans should not be billed through their insurance policies for combat-related injuries." Let's hope someone on Capitol Hill actually reads the most recent draft of the "health care reform" legislation to ensure that the fine print of this medical monstrosity doesn't include other innovative ways to stick it to our wounded warriors. The thought that we are likely to have more wounded has apparently occurred to the vice president. On July 23, a New York Times headline cautioned, "Biden Warns of More 'Sacrifice' in Afghanistan." During a European tour, the VP was asked about progress in Afghanistan, and he referred to the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, along which up-tempo fighting is occurring, as "a place that, if it doesn't get straightened out, will continue to wreak havoc on Europe and the United States." For the gaffe-prone veep, file this remark in the category of broken clocks and occasional accuracy. "This is the place," Biden continued, "from which the attacks of 9/11 and all those attacks in Europe that came from al-Qaida have flowed." In an effort to quell skeptics, he went on to note that the fighting and the war "are worth the effort we are making." His remarks appear to be directed at the press and the pollsters now casting doubt on the U.S. mission in Afghanistan. A Washington Post-ABC News poll released this week asked the following question: "All in all, considering the costs to the United States versus the benefits to the United States, do you think the war in Afghanistan was worth fighting, or not?" The survey showed 51 percent of Americans -- a drop of 5 points in four months -- now believe the war is worth fighting. Notably, that is roughly the same decline the O-Team has taken on everything from handling the economy to health care reform. It also begs for a poll question like, "All in all, considering the incompetence of the media versus the benefits of a free press, do you think the 'free press' provision of the First Amendment is worth keeping?" For the record, Afghanistan is the place from which the attacks of Sept. 11 were planned and launched. Those attacks took the lives of nearly 3,000 of our fellow citizens and were the catalyst for legislative, cultural and political changes many of us never imagined. The masters of the mainstream media are now doing to the campaign in Afghanistan what they did in 2006 and 2007 in Iraq. The left and the potentates of the press derisively labeled Iraq "Bush's war." But this week's Oval Office meeting between Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and Mr. Obama indicates the campaign in Iraq is all but over and won for American troops. Some have taken to calling Afghanistan "Obama's war." There is some truth to that; Mr. Obama blamed Mr. Bush for "taking his eye off the ball" in Afghanistan and has "surged" troop levels there. These two campaigns, however, are just part of a bigger, broader war being waged against us by radical Islam. It is a war that deserves more than a veep's occasional stumble into veracity. It deserves a commander in chief's laser focus and recognition of the sacrifice already being made by hundreds of thousands of soldiers, sailors, airmen, guardsmen and Marines. COPYRIGHT 2009 CREATORS.COM
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weasel
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| 03 Aug 2009 05:19 AM |
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Cash for Clunkers! Why should I be able to go buy a new car and have the government tax my neighbor to subsidize the purchase. Why should my tax dollars be going to buy you a new car? Oh, I forgot, it's not MY tax dollars, it's tax dollars that hasn't even been collected yet! So, why should my little six year old daughter have a promise hung around her neck, to subsidize the purchase of someone's car, today?
This program has not been running very long and it is already out of money. (borrowed money) I have not talked to a dealer yet that has actually received any money that they have applied for through the "clunker" program. I've asked four. Oh, and the dealers have to render the cars that they are taking in on trade, un-saleable. I guess they have to destroy some major component or something... maybe the engine? I don't know the details of that part of it, but it would stand to reason seeing that part of the purpose of the program is to better the enviornment by taking these old gas guzzlers off the road. What about the people that drive used cars? Oh yeah, the government isn't in the business of making used cars.
Here's a scary detail that has just surfaced: When the automobile dealers log on to the government website to make application for reimbursement under the Cash for Clunkers program they have to accept the terms and conditions of the program... you know, a disclaimer page. We've all seen them. This one has a "Privacy Act and Security Statement" that includes the wording: (This application provides access to the DOT "CARS" system, your computer is now considered a part of the Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government.) Why in the hell would anyone press the "I Accept" button on this one. One word: MONEY. The government has taken control of the auto industry and these are the tenticales reaching out and grabbing hold of the distribution points ( the dealers). This means they can look into a dealer's computer and sniff around for anything they want to look at. I guess if the dealer was using an internet based phone service, the government could even listen to their phone conversations.
How's that " Change we can Beleive In " stuff working for you so far?!?
Does anyone want the Federal Government to "FIX" our healthcare system?!?
When we give the government power to give us something, we give them control over us. The assistance always comes with requirements, regulations, stipulations, and so forth. This, for the left, is a “backdoor” way to advance their agenda. Directly ordering states to change their laws and regulations is a direct violation of the Tenth Amendment. Also, going through the legislative process can be messy; legislation may not pass, and, more importantly, the debate is public. When the left can’t pass something in the open, they either do it incrementally, bypass the democratic process via a lawsuit, or pass it as a “string” attached to funding.
Thinking about today's massive deficits, where in the U.S. Constitution is Congress given the authority to do anything about the economy?
The Constitution is an obstacle to Obama's plans.
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Carolyn_S
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| 04 Aug 2009 11:35 AM |
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politics are always a lose/lose discussion but i will post a couple of interesting sites. http://www.barackobama.com/twitter/...ursenator/ you can tweet your elected official, lol. bet they love that. meeting by organizing for america Tuesday, September 1 from 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM Host: leanne townsend Location: Houston-Love Library (Dothan, AL) 212 W Burdeshaw Street Dothan, AL 36303 this is for the discussion concerning the health care initiative- getting the truth out there. i don't have the answers but i do know that people need access to health care. i also think Glenn Beck is just an opportunist who is one rung above rush limbaugh and spews controversy to line his pockets. just my opinion ;>) |
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| 04 Aug 2009 11:42 AM |
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oh let me add - we all have the right to our opinions. its ok if you think i'm a fruitcake.instill love my cmom! ;>0 the past 8 years left a bad taste in my mouth. also, the fact that my child almost died b/c he couldn't get medical testing b/c i became disabled and could no longer pay homage to the Gods of BC/BS. that'll alter your outlook- trust me. and remember that dubya started the bailout. |
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| 05 Aug 2009 07:34 AM |
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ORGANIZING FOR AMERICA... What kind of group could this be? It sounds like a great group. Let's find out just who they are. But first, let's all agree that having different opinions is a good thing. By bringing together different opinions and working together to find productive, positive ideas that will offer solutions to issues that need improvement is a thing of beauty. However, this is not what is happening with respect to any of the issues that the Obama Administration has chosen to deal with. They are ramming their idea of how they want to fundamentally change this country down everyone's throat. Now, if you buy into what they are selling, I guess you don't even have to hold your nose to swallow it. But we are talking about some serious changes, like the government take-over and control of many facets of our lives and the economic process in which this Great Country has led the world for so many years. I beleive most Americans are hard-working, liberty-loving, innovative, productive people who want to make their own choices about what is best for them and their families. You can try to make the argument that America does not have the best health care available to its population, but personally I think you would be wrong. We have the best medical resources in this world, right here in the United States. You can argue that not everyone has "access" to medical care. Well, you can walk into any emergency room with a medical problem, and they will not turn you away, not even if you are a foreigner in this country illegally. Most people that argue about the lack of access are really trying to argue for universal FREE healthcare. Well, there is no such thing. There is no way that the government can wave a magic wand or create a 1000 page piece of legislature that will give everone daily foot massages for nothing. I will agree that our system can use some additional alternatives and plans that offer less expensive coverage for some people. But, there a currently plans out there that are available to anyone who has major medical coverage as a priority in their life plan. We already have Medicare and Medicaid, both plans don't work well and are polluted with fraud and are broke. So what does the Obama Administration want to do with our healthcare system? What the Democratis Senators and the Democratic "publicists" are telling us is contrary to what this monterous bill says. President Obama himself, is telling us things that is contrary to what this bill contains. Will the TRUTH come out at one of these "Organizing For America" meeting? Well, let's try to figure out who this group is. To start, lets figure out who created this group, or organization. Why it was the brainchild of President Obama's political machine members, primarily David Axelrod. Who is David Axelrod? There is plenty of information out there that will inform you about what he has done and who he has associated himself with. But, here is what you need to know in relation to how this litttle "group" was formed. David Axelrod's political consulting services are operated through his firm AKP&D Message & Media. He also operated a second business from the same office, ASK Public Strategies, which creates strategy and advertising campaigns for corporate clients. The partners include Eric Sedler (the "S" in ASK), 39, a former public relations director at AT&T and corporate-reputation specialist at PR giant Edelman and the company's managing partner, and John Kupper (the "K" in ASK), 51, a former congressional press secretary and ad-industry consultant. These groups specialize in an highly effective and controversial advertising technique know as “astroturfing”. Astroturfing is a form of propaganda whose techniques usually consist of a few people attempting to give the impression that mass numbers of enthusiasts advocate some specific cause. The term is said to have been used first in this context by former US Senator Lloyd Bentsen. It is wordplay based on grassroots democracy efforts – truly spontaneous undertakings largely sustained by private persons – as opposed to politicians, governments, corporations, or public relations firms. AstroTurf refers to the bright green artificial grass used in some sports stadiums, so "astroturfing" refers to imitating or faking popular grassroots opinion or behaviour. This practice is specifically prohibited by the code of ethics of the Public Relations Society of America, the national association for members of the public relations profession in the United States. As a private organization, the most significant punishment PRSA can hand out to members who engage in astroturfing is revocation of membership in the association. Although the International Association of Business Communicators (IABC) does not specifically mention astroturfing, it does require honest communication. So, the group called ORGANIZING FOR AMERICA is born! President-elect Barack Obama announced the formation of a new group known as "Organizing for America" that aims to continue the grassroots advocacy that the former Illinois Senator began in his presidential campaign. "As President, I will need the help of all Americans to meet the challenges that lie ahead," Obama said in a video message e-mailed to supporters (and reporters) this morning. "That's why I'm asking people like you who fought for change during the campaign to continue fighting for change in your communities." The new group will be the flagship of "Obama 2.0" as many people have taken to calling the transformation of the political organization created during the 2008 campaign. The new group will work within the Democratic National Committee -- led by Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine -- to advance the Obama agenda. "President-elect Obama has laid the foundation to meet the great challenges facing our nation, but we can succeed only if we build grassroots support for the administration's agenda," said Kaine in a release announcing the formation of Organizing for America. The new group had been long expected within Obama's inner circle and, although no details on how it would be staffed were released by the transition office today, it is expected that longtime Obama loyalists will be placed in charge -- following the blueprint set out at the DNC. It's clear that Obama recognizes the power that his email list, which boasts more than 13 million names, represents in American politics and is working to ensure it stays within the control of a small group who are charged with protecting the Obama brand. So what will Leanne Townsend be telling us at the library on September 1st? I dont expect it will be anything close to the truth! |
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weasel
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| 22 Aug 2009 05:21 AM |
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Proving once again that "the nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help,'" The Democrats' Cash for Clunkers program is creating more problems than it's solving. Congressional geniuses enacted a trifecta of bureaucratic bungling with too little funding, far too few paperwork processors (only 200 to handle millions of filings), and too many regulations (156 pages worth), which initially lasted only four days before it became insolvent. Now the program is ending again on Monday, only a month after it began. Automotive dealers have discovered the Orwellian joys of working for the federal government that created the Clunkers program to sell it's Government Motors cars quickly ... after hours of paperwork per vehicle is filed under the Paperwork Reduction Act and after the dealers have to float millions of dollars waiting for the feds to reimburse them. Many dealers, fed up with unpaid millions in Clunker sales for which they cannot obtain collateral, ceased participation in the Clunkers program early, although Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood swears that dealers are "going to get their money." Naturally, Washington hales the "very popular" program (when was "free" money not popular?) as a smashing "success." We can only imagine the "success" of government-run health care!"
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| 25 Aug 2009 11:11 AM |
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I feel like I am taxed from the minute I open my eyes till I go to sleep |
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paradigm_shifting
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| 31 Aug 2009 11:19 AM |
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for framer:
You are taxed from the minute you get up. Here's how it goes >
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water tested and provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the television to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Checking out those hurricanes? I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking my medicines, which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time, as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration-approved automobile and set out to work on roads built and maintained by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a lead-free quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way, I might deposit any mail I have to be sent via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.
Then, I go to work, complaining about the taxes I am forced to pay, and how the government needs to get off my back and out of my business. And that's just my morning.
Your friend,
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weasel
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| 07 Sep 2009 04:16 AM |
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Walter Williams is an Economics Professor at George Mason University. This guy is straight to the point and factual about his observations. This little blurb is chock full of common sense. "President Obama and congressional supporters estimate that his health care plan will cost between $50 and $65 billion a year. Such cost estimates are lies whether they come from a Democratic president and Congress, or a Republican president and Congress. ... At its start, in 1966, Medicare cost $3 billion. The House Ways and Means Committee, along with President Johnson, estimated that Medicare would cost an inflation-adjusted $12 billion by 1990. In 1990, Medicare topped $107 billion. That's nine times Congress' prediction. Today's Medicare tab comes to $420 billion with no signs of leveling off. How much confidence can we have in any cost estimates by the White House or Congress? Another part of the Medicare lie is found in Section 1801 of the 1965 Medicare Act that reads: 'Nothing in this title shall be construed to authorize any federal officer or employee to exercise any supervision or control over the practice of medicine, or the manner in which medical services are provided, or over the selection, tenure, or compensation of any officer, or employee, or any institution, agency or person providing health care services.' Ask your doctor or hospital whether this is true." --economist Walter E. Williams
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weasel
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| 23 Sep 2009 05:15 AM |
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Worth reading all of it: WHAT CAN WE DO???????/ Michael Connelly ( http://michaelconnelly.viviti.com ) is a Constitutional Lawyer and has read the entire health care bill and has some comments, not about the bill, but about the effects on our Constitution. It's a broader picture than just health care reform. All of you and those to whom you communicate had better sit up and pay attention; once this sort of thing happens, it will be irreversible. http://michaelconnelly.viviti.com/ Take a look and let me know what you think. The blog will concentrate of my concerns as a retired attorney about the imminent and growing threats to our Constitution and our form of government. We have reason to be very afraid of what is happening. THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE BILLS? Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected. To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession. The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled. However, as scary as all of that it, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed. The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with.. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care. The paragraph below is really frightening This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4thAmendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide. If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed "acceptable" to the "Health Choices Administrator" appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a "tax" instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the "due process of law. So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;" The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the Unite d States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control. I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation" to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American people would hold me accountable. For those who might doubt the nature of this threat I suggest they consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/ch...cript.html And another to the Bill of Rights: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/ch...cript.html There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us. Michael Connelly Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor Carrollton, Texas mrobertc@hotmail.com |
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weasel
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| 12 Oct 2009 06:31 AM |
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HB 1388 PASSED !! You just spent $20,000,000 to move members/supporters of Hamas, a terrorist organization, to the United States ; They get housing, food, the whole enchilada. HB 1388 PASSED Whether you are an Obama fan, or not, EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to know..... Something happened.... H.R. 1388 was passed, behind our backs You may want to read about it.. It wasn ' t mentioned on the news... just went by on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen. Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA . This is the news that didn ' t make the headlines... By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and "conflict victims" in Gaza . The "presidential determination", which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States , was signed and appears in the Federal Register. Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006. Let's review....itemized list of some of Barack Obama ' s most recent actions since his inauguration: His first call to any head of state, as president, was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory. His first one-on-one television interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television. His first executive order was to fund/facilitate abortion(s) not just here within the U. S. , but within the world, using U. S. tax payer funds. He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted. He ordered overseas CIA interrogation centers closed. He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and the "terror attack" on 9/11. Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense. These important, and insightful, issues are being "lost" in the blinding bail-outs and "stimulation" packages. Doubtful? To verify this for yourself: www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488 PLEASE PASS THIS ON... AMERICA NEEDS TO KNOW WE are losing this country at a rapid pace. _______
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weasel
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| 17 Dec 2009 04:13 AM |
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NOW! Is there anyone out there who voted for Barack Obama that is proud of how he is conducting his presidency and leading our country? If so, please share your thoughts. Why? |
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weasel
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| 28 Dec 2009 11:17 AM |
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At least one person, with whom many agreed, could predict the future path of the government of our Great Nation... "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson How much LIBERTY are we willing to give away, until the masses start to move, and voice their rejection for what is happening? How is such corruption tolerated? HELLO?!? Many have pointed out this fact... "[Barack] Obama paid off Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb) the way he and Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev) had paid off Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La) last month. Put enough money on the table and just about any Democratic U.S. Senator will think, gulp, blink, and drag the pot with the rationalization that 'this is all for the greater good.' Pelican Pellets! This is no different than putting a horse's head into Jack Woltz' bed to force him into giving Johnny Fontaine a part in his movie in The Godfather. It was a deal Nelson couldn't refuse. There is no Socialized Option in the bill. Abortions will not be covered. It is unclear who will have to pay how much or when for what coverage. All in all it is health care reform that has nothing to do with health care and contains little, if any, reform. Other than this: If Democrats continue to control all the levers of power at the Federal level, this will change and change and change over the next two or three Congresses until health care in America is pronounced equal for everyone and mediocre for all." --political analyst Rich Galen
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