Advocate I did read what you typed and responded to it obviously I did not understand what you typed or I wouldn't have responded with questions.
You seem to take issue with the bleeding part of my post....
You said "Oh and yes there was blood found on the ground under the car. But dead people don't bleed. Anybody who watches csi knows that."
I said "If the dead don't bleed..... Why do hunters bleed their kill? Or does the rule of bleeding only apply to people? After a body has had time to set up the blood leaves the extremities and pools in the part of the body that has the most gravity force or is pointing downward BUT when injured a body will bleed out and keep bleeding until the blood pools elsewhere or bleeds out which could also be where gravity and the injury are together. A pulse makes you spurt blood through a wound not having a pulse makes you drain blood through a wound. How do you know the girls heads weren't in a downward position with the body?"
Then you said "Any living creature quits bleeding when it dies but there is this really neat thing called gravity and when you hang a dead animal by it's hind legs and slit it's throat it bleeds out pretty well. The girls heads were not in a position where gravity would take effect."

My reply is I am glad to see you are comprehending a little about what CSI didn't teach you.
However, a dead anything with blood and an open wound does bleed out UNTIL the blood settles in the point of gravity. IF the wound and the point of gravity are the same then whatever will bleed completely out.
A question you must have previously overlooked was "How do you know the girls heads weren't in a downward position with the body?" I didn't ask if you knew I asked how do you know.
I also replied to your saying "Ok here's the deal I said a tow truck not a rollback. a rollback would have not have left the scrapes in the bottom of the trunk pan that were found."
with "Couldn't the car had once been down a dirt road and gotten stuck and caused scrapes under the car? Was the car without shocks or did it have one of those kits that lowers the body down close to the ground?"
You replied back with "ok venus if your a reader how about you read what I write before you respond. There were scrapes on the trunk pan that would suggest that the car was towed with the front elevated."
I am sorry but I am unable to read or comprehend your answer to my question as I don't see anything typed in regard to what I typed.....
So you believe there was another person.... Yesterday you spoke of facts.... You have yet to prove your facts or show you speak the truth....
As for steering the car with a rope.... As a teenager I made many trips to the junkyard in Troy to sell a junk car for movie money.... Depending on the car, someone would steer the car with the rope tied to it BUT if we could get the car close enough to the pulling car we didn't need someone to steer it and allowed me to make the trip all by myself.... Damage to the front end would depend on where you tied the rope.

smokey, not meaning to argue with you, but to offer something I heard....about the time of the murders, it was rumoured that Barrentine commented to one of his sisters..."Be careful. We wouldn't want you to wind up like those girls, rolled up in a blanket..." Now, I don't know how true that was. It was only a rumour, and I've NEVER heard it repeated on here or during any interview with PD. However, it was one of the many rumours making the rounds back the, and would have explained the lack of blood on the outside of the car. Do I believe it? Not really. I saw a picture which was printed in the newspaper, and you could see just the hint of a white girl's arm in the picture of the open trunk. That would pretty much throw out the idea of "rolled up in a blanket".

Fair questions. And I'll give you fair answers. I don't have anything to hide. And yes, I WAS a person of interest. Never denied it. First, how would YOU, of all people, know anything about police communications records? You're not a cop. Did you get all that info from the defense attorney? I don't really remember that call, but I do know that I had the locks changed once, after an argument with my ex g/f. I didn't call the police to have it done, tho. hahah! That would be as stupid as Barrentine going to video warehouse to get a video of the truck at the gas station!!! JB and I were friends. We met thru my ex g/f. The first time I ever saw JB was when she was 15, and we stopped by her home to see how she was. Her mom was in Panama City, and JB was left in charge of the younger sisters, driving them to dance and where-ever else they might need to go. Occasionally she would stop by with my g/f's daughter, and in time, she started stopping by alone. She was having problems with her mom AND HER FOSTER PARENT, and needed someone to talk with. I listened. I never ONCE bragged about having an affair with JB, and in fact, I challenged the FBI to find ONE BIT OF DNA evidence from me in JB's clothing. (Being sure of yourself when you're tellng the TRUTH is nice.) I moved out at the end of my lease. Purely coincidental, and by the way, it was before JB was killed. And it is an established fact that JB DID hug a black boy in Headland at a gas station on the night that she died. At first, it was my opinion, based on the lack of robbery or rape, that she had been killed by white supremacists because of that hug. You know that very well, because you have the letter that I sent to the ABI. Likewise, I believe I repeated that theory to you when you started emailing me about that time. Didn't you use the email address of "realbiker01@wmconnect.com at the time? Of course, when Barrentine fingered a big, tattooed man as the actual killer, all my previous theories were dropped in favor of theories based on FACTS.

They questioned Johnny for over 3 hrs feeding him bits and pieces about the crime and letting him feed it back to them until they all but had him. Of course Johnny was stupid, He thought he could go tell the cops a lie and get the reward money. What he failed to realise is when you go to claim that money, they look at you as a possible suspect. He instantly became suspect number 1 because if you were there, you must have been an acomplice right?? He gave the cops probably 10 different stories altering it as he was questioned in more details by the cops.

As for my opinions here goes, these are only my opinions based on what I know, at best they are pure speculation

As for family, I know they looked closely at J.B's mother. DHR had recently removed J.B. from her  mothers care (fact). They susposedly had gotten into a fight over her mothers boyfriend. Rumor was that J.B.'s mother caught her daughter sleeping with him and threatened to kill her. I know that Cheryl filed a lawsuit trying to sue DHR over her daughters death but it was withdrawn because she was considered a suspect.

The other story I have heard from some outside Ozark that worked on the case is that J.B. was messing with an Ozark Cop. She was susposedly trying to blackmale him out of some money and had threatened to tell his wife. This person also said that Ozark had screwed up the scene where the car was found so badly that he doubt it could ever be solved. He personally "off the record" believed it was deliberate.

Either one of these would explain why no foreign DNA was found. One would expect to find her mothers DNA in the car, and if it was a cop and he was on the scene, as poorly as the crime scene was controled you would expect to find his prints and DNA also.

I am gona throw my 2 cents in this. for what it is worth

There was no blood found on the body of the car except what had run out of the trunk. If they were shot anywhere but outside the trunk getting the bodies into the trunk would of been quite messy and the driver wouls have left some in the drivers seat area. Even if the car was washed phorensics could still have pulled traces of blood with dye. That may have been a theory early on but it is not really supportable with what I have been told by many involved.

Hey, Nicodemus, you've attacked ME, and you've attacked my friendship with JB, but I notice you haven't attacked any of the postulations that I've made about this case. It seems as though you're DETERMINED to throw suspicion on me, almost as though you want to distract attention from someone else....my question is, what are you so AFRAID of, that you'd attack me, personally?

Smokey, I appreciate your taking the time to offer explanations that do make sense and are well typed out. Thank you!

Dangggg...every time I scroll up, I see something else! hahah! Ok, to answer your question, I am a reader. My mind operates on detailed facts. I don't have it in me to converse in these little 4 or 5 word sentences. If it weren't for having totally British ancestry, I'd swear I'm part German! Yes, I wrote a letter to the ABI, which was shared with the defense team, in which I said that JB was seen hugging an african boy (that's a safe way to phrase it) under the bright lights of the gas station in Headland. ONCE AGAIN, I'd like for you to tell me how you knew the contents of that letter....

What i would like to know..This is not a attack in anyway.. Its a simple question about your religion..Your religion proclaims that the white race is the pure race.. Where in the Bible does it say this? I am curiouse to know. Because if i rememebr correctly the bible said all man kind is his children.. So woudl that single out a certain race? Also ill try to find it in the bible if im wrong my apology in advance,

This is getting to be interesting! I've brought up some undeniable facts, such as Barrentine knowing details he couldn't have been able to know and the police freezing the reward process at a ridiculously low level, and now I'm being attacked on here....a reasonable person would have to ask, WHAT HAVE I SAID THAT GOT THEM SO UPSET? COULD IT BE THAT MY QUESTIONS ARE HITTING TOO CLOSE TO HOME?

ok venus aparently you can't follow a trail of bread crumbs so I will spoon feed this much to you. When you tow a car it lifts the front and that makes the rear closer to the ground. And if you add weight from two bodies in the trunk that puts it even closer to the ground. So therfore when you hit a bump it would scrape the rear of the trunk pan. And for the dead people don't bleed comment if there was blood under the car when they found it that means that one of the girls was still alive ( meaning heart beating and pumping blood out of the head wound) when the car was dumped. I will keep in mind that from now on I have to speak at a fifth grade level. sorry for talking over your head.

Thank you Advocate for caring enough to keep things dumbed down for me. I appreciate your effort and trouble. Thank you!!!!

Please let me repeat myself......

I feel that we need to ENCOURAGE people to speak up about their suspicions/little details that they may have/know. Even if it proves to be unfounded, it may turn up some other helpful info.

I also feel we should DISCOURAGE those who would belittle, condemn, intimidate or otherwise pooh-pooh them from speaking out. That person may have the unknown answer, and should be listened too.


If we discourage each other, we'll also discourage the person who may have the clue. Arguing/disagreements can be via email. The goal is to try and find any missing/helpful clues.

Ok here's the deal I said a tow truck not a rollback. a rollback would have not have left the scrapes in the bottom of the trunk pan that were found. It could have even been a tow dollie. Either one of which would elevate the front of the car and with the weight of two dead bodies in the trunk would cause it to "bottom out" and scrape up the trunk pan. And to answer the question raised about what it takes to solve a crime, it takes three things. 1 Compitent investigators, 2 an unmolested crime scene, and 3 a willingness to solve said crime. Oh and yes there was blood found on the ground under the car. But dead people don't bleed. Anybody who watches csi knows that.

Ok, let's try it this way. I'm not going to answer your questions about religion in here. You want to know who and what I am? Read the book. It won't hurt you. I WILL NOT let this discussion be derailed and carried off into some never-never-land of questions about my religious beliefs. Doesn't matter if I'm a satanist or islamic or buddhist or waiting for ET to save us all. I asked some questions, and two people seem DETERMINED to change the subject. A reasonable person would ask WHY???

haha! Devil, you misunderstand me. Someday I've gotta learn how to quote what I'm replying to in my posts. Nobody said they were shot in the heart, but only a heart shot would stop the flow of blood pretty much as soon as they died. Multiple personalities was directed at me. Somebody thinks you and I are the same person. The Einstein thing was part of the fuss between me and echogirl...But in all seriousness, your questions are well taken. It's natural for us to "bow up" when somebody questions our pet theories, but I'm also a firm believer that, if our theories don't stand up to a few hard questions, they aren't right...

I believe the reason that religion came into play was because of the black boy comment. I dont care if you worship neet-whoop the god of the third moon of mars. I just think it's interesting that you feel attacked.

For you Veritas,

 Do You Not remember how you wrote the letter to your landlady about not being able to pay your rent on time, because you had to buy a car ( a forigien car because nobody would trust a divorced white man for the kind of car yo wanted)

 And did it not reassure here your rent would be paid ontime from then on.
 Nex shortly after that did you not move in with your brother and his wife close to where Barrientines sister lived?

 Also tell me you know so much about these murders how close together were they killed, and exactly were were the wounds?

 You also explained your writing as being established fact, Is it not als an established fact one of your tapes " THE DON'T BE AFRAID BRIGADE " was in the tape deck? I say yours because I am told you purchased it at a christian store in Troy.

Then of course there is your E-mail I have admitting to killing a Black Male " CRACK HEAD " as you describe him in Virginia by putting him under your truck and running over his head?

actually there is one or two other shots that can stop the heart and one of them would be to hit the medulla oblongata. You know the nerve center of the brain. That pretty much shuts everything down within seconds. Not long enough to make a large puddle.

No arguement here. I am just kicking out what I know and what I have heard that I consider plausible they fed Barrentine alot of the "facts" and walked him around in such a way that he fed them back to the investigators. He had no clue what he was saying. At one point they asked him which story they were susposed to believe (he gave about 10 different versions of what susposedly happened that night).

I do not want to sound harsh when I say this, but going in and lying to the police like he did, their is no way he could walk out of there without people thinking he knew something. He will be considered a suspect as long as this case remains unsolved. It is just a result of his actions