Veritas
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| 21 Jul 2007 12:29 AM |
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hahaha...neet-whoop? How'd you know???? And ixnay on the third moon of mars stuff...the Illuminati might read ur post!!! Seriously, how else can you make the point that somebody might have been outraged by seeing JB hugging a black boy in Headland? The year was 1999, but still, there are LOTS of people who still have very strong feelings about such things. My original thought was that it was connected. I tried to be as politically correct as possible. |
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Smokey
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| 21 Jul 2007 12:35 AM |
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I am not being mean and I am not attacking your religion but Veritas I have had a chance to read thru some of the other posts. I think the reason they are questioning you is because of what is in the website you posted earlier in another thread. your website - http://www.kingidentity.com/opening statement " Kingdom Identity Ministries is a Politically Incorrect Christian Identity outreach ministry to God's chosen race (true Israel, the White, European peoples). "
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Veritas
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| 21 Jul 2007 12:36 AM |
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I don't believe he killed the girls. I even gave money toward his bail, thru his sister. But what if, on some level, he WASN'T lieing? What if he was actually there with this guy that he described and named, and what if he actually witnessed the murders? It's not altogether out of the realm of possibility that he went to the cops and tried to tell his story without implicating the one who actually did the shooting. At least, that's what I have believed since Jan/Feb of 2000.....I honestly believe that, if he and his family were offered witness protection / relocation, he would sing like a bird on the first day of spring... |
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| 21 Jul 2007 12:41 AM |
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Well the only problem with witness protection thing is the fact Alabama dosen't have an accessory clause. If you were present while a crime is commited you will be charged with that crime. That way the police dept solved the crime and therfore they get the reward money. |
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Smokey
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| 21 Jul 2007 12:42 AM |
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Posted By Veritas on 07/21/2007 1:36 AM
I don't believe he killed the girls. I even gave money toward his bail, thru his sister. But what if, on some level, he WASN'T lieing? What if he was actually there with this guy that he described and named, and what if he actually witnessed the murders? It's not altogether out of the realm of possibility that he went to the cops and tried to tell his story without implicating the one who actually did the shooting. At least, that's what I have believed since Jan/Feb of 2000.....I honestly believe that, if he and his family were offered witness protection / relocation, he would sing like a bird on the first day of spring... If you are right then Ozark ruined their best and only witness. After the treatment he got I doubt he would even speak to the Ozark P.D., much less help them in any way. |
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peanut804
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| 21 Jul 2007 12:47 AM |
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Then of course there is your E-mail I have admitting to killing a Black Male " CRACK HEAD " as you describe him in Virginia by putting him under your truck and running over his head?
WHAT!!!!!!!!! |
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Veritas
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| 21 Jul 2007 12:50 AM |
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Smokey, I agree. Your post was not the S-S-D-D attack on the messenger, rather than the message. Not sure where the "mean" came from. And you're right, I did post that web site, among others, and I believe a lot of what they claim. Their Doctrinal Statement is a wealth of information for the beginner or the teacher. Just because something isn't politically correct or in the vogue doesn't mean that it's not TRUE. Who was it that was almost burned at the stake because of his Sun-centered theory of the universe? Galileo? Copernicus? I'm too sleepy to look it up, but u get the idea... |
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Smokey
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| 21 Jul 2007 02:14 AM |
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Posted By Veritas on 07/20/2007 10:32 PM
JB and Tracie were shot in the head, not in the heart. Their hearts continued to pump for quite some time, most likely, since the human heart has something called "automaticity". It will work on its own, without input from the vagus nerve / brain. If it were not so, heart transplants wouldn't be possible. The general consensus is that Tracie was shot inside the trunk, so it's altogether reasonable that her heart pumped quite a bit of blood into the trunk before she died.
Wasn't their a rumor going around that according to the Coroners reports, one of the girls did not die until about 9 or 10 that morning. Ozark found the car around 7:30 to 8:00. That meant that one of them was tecnically still alive when the car was found. She probably would of been brain dead, but some people have recovered from such injuries. Unfortunately by the time Ozark looked in the trunk, it was after 10:00. I wonder if there is any truth to this rumor. I remember hearing it, but I do not remember where. |
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Smokey
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| 21 Jul 2007 02:19 AM |
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Another idle observation.
Every version I have ever heard about this story has J.B. as having a "hidden life" of some sort. She basically had enemies (though noone can decide on the same 2 sets of enemies). The one constant is that Tracy was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I have yet to hear a story that has her implicated in any of the B/S that J.B. is always in. That being said I wonder why she was riding with J. B. that night |
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VenusFlyTrap
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| 21 Jul 2007 02:25 AM |
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Thank you spnsh. I admire your honesty and your courage to be honest about having another name.
Unfortunately honesty isn't something some folks can comprehend and they must accuse others of what they are guilty of. I call them cowards myself! Deleting your other name deprives your friend of a posting name and I wouldn't want you to do that. I am glad you got your old name back, though. I cannot make certain others want to see anything beyond what they NEED things to appear to them.... I can say I refuse to live in such a tangled web and have no need to lie or be another personality but there are some with such a need and they dangle in their tangled web of lies and deceit trying to convince themselves it's normal and everyone else does it too but defeating their purpose with paranoia and a denial to the FACT that it isn't normal and everyone else does NOT do it!
Posted By spnshacres on 07/21/2007 11:33 AM
Sorry Venus.. I explained who echogirl was.. I will not be using it anymore so now you will get blamed for making it vanish.. Its your fault i tell ya. That poor echogirl is going away.. be ashame.. j/k hahah Hope your having a nice day
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spnshacres
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| 21 Jul 2007 05:06 AM |
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Well i try to be as honest as i can.. I have nothing what so ever to hide. Well yes i do.. I hide my shame that i did not get to see my father the day he passed away.. But other than that. Im all good.. Cause i know when i meet my maker GOD ALMIGHTY. I have to answer to no one persons sin's except my own. So ill say this.. If the person or person's that killed these girls.. Make it through there pain and agony of keeping closure from the girls parents. When they meet there maker it will be a dreadful Day for them.. |
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nicodemus
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| 21 Jul 2007 05:54 AM |
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Well For one thing the girls were not shot execution style and no Tracy was not alieve at 8 or 9 am.one was killed around midnight, the other approx 3 hours later however she could have lived long enough to pump blood and fluids to the small place where they were leaking,
As for the girls J>B> was a little more promicious and Tracy was aVirgin planning to start doing missionary work after school.
But all that aside my question has always been what could 2 young girls have done, seen ,or known to be brutally murdered like this?
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VenusFlyTrap
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| 21 Jul 2007 06:01 AM |
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Posted By nicodemus on 07/21/2007 6:54 PM
.....snip.... my question has always been what could 2 young girls have done, seen ,or known to be brutally murdered like this?
Any ideas?
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spnshacres
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| 21 Jul 2007 06:05 AM |
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Posted By nicodemus on 07/21/2007 6:54 PM
Well For one thing the girls were not shot execution style and no Tracy was not alieve at 8 or 9 am.one was killed around midnight, the other approx 3 hours later however she could have lived long enough to pump blood and fluids to the small place where they were leaking,
As for the girls J>B> was a little more promicious and Tracy was aVirgin planning to start doing missionary work after school.
But all that aside my question has always been what could 2 young girls have done, seen ,or known to be brutally murdered like this?
Here is my question.. One was alive for approx. 3 hours after the first was killed. Could it be she was alive but hurt bad or was it her heart pumping.. Are maybe did the killer keep them alive for some odd reason or reasons? Just a question. |
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VenusFlyTrap
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| 21 Jul 2007 06:06 AM |
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Spnsh, shame is a good thing, it keeps us humble... Those who don't know shame are the ones capable of doing terrible things.
Since you are me and I am you would care to share with me how I am as a man? I just can't seem to recall any memory of being a man but since you are a man and I am you or are you me? Anyway, I would like to know how my life as a man is, please tell me. LOL
Your life as a woman is a very filled and Blessed one, I think i have done you proud, hehehe. |
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VenusFlyTrap
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| 21 Jul 2007 06:27 AM |
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Veritas as much as you want it to be true.... I am NOT echogirl and please don't play with words to make your point with me as it doesn't amuse me! You want me to be a liar then have the balls to call me one!!!!!!!
Posted By Veritas on 07/21/2007 12:16 AM
Allright echogirl!!! Your english has improved MARKEDLY! Reckon maybe you were just pretending to be an illiterate redneck in your earlier posts? Since you seem to be a bit more intelligent than your earlier post would indicate, answer me this....why are you attacking me? Am I too close to the truth for you? Perhaps asking questions that go in a direction you don't want them to go??? You know, after all, THERE ARE TWO SCENARIOS that could explain JB's death. One was that somebody was afraid JB was chasing her husband. The other was that somebody was furious when JB's superior dance skills got her promoted over a fellow dancer. And, PLEASE, tell me tell me WHERE have I said that the white race is the pure race? In every group, there are the fringe elements that seem to attract all the attention. I am not a part of the fringe. I posted a link to a book that explains exactly what I believe, and you won't find ANY racism in that book. Have you read it? It's a free, 3 meg download. Go to www.pcog.org and click literature library. When the next page opens up, scroll down and click the "PDF" button to the right of "United States and Britain in Prophecy".
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southernbama
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| 21 Jul 2007 06:31 AM |
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Oh, To Catch a Predator is on tonight for 24 hours on MSNBC. For those of you who like to see these disgusting pedophiles get captured. |
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Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
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spnshacres
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| 21 Jul 2007 06:33 AM |
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hahaha your such a silly woman lol |
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spnshacres
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| 21 Jul 2007 06:37 AM |
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That last comment was to VFT |
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cmom
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| 21 Jul 2007 07:06 AM |
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This has really sent red flags up for me..nicodemus,if one girl was killed appox.around midnight,that was soon after Tracie had called her mother to say she was in Ozark,had been lost,and was coming home,it was stated something like that to Tracies mother.
What makes you wonder then,is how far were the girls killed from where they were found on Herring.Was one killed there on Hearring,and the other taken away,then brought back later,and put in the trunk?One lived alot longer than the other.
Was their car messed up with mud or scratches,maybe made there befour they were killed.I just cant believe that the killer put the car on a Tow truck,drove it to where ever it was that they killed the girls,and put it on Herring.This doesnt make sense to me..If one was killed about 12 midnight,it was soon after Tracie talked to her mother. |
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